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What was your typical pay for a job? I had a base salary of $40k per year. I was also eligible for a bonus/commission depending on the video I was able to obtain.
What was the most you were ever paid for a job and why was that worth alot more money? I once received a $1500 commission for catching an attorney at a golf course while he was claiming disability. It was worth a lot because of the guys career and 'what he was giving up due to his disability'. He was BS'ing of course.
Plus expenses? Yes, the company paid all of my meals, lodging, etc.
How many of your jobs were typical "my wife/husband is cheating, etc."? I did maybe 4 or 5 divorce type cases. Those were the worst!
Were you ever commissioned by a corporation for a job? I was never really commissioned by any other corporations for jobs.
I noticed you said you worked for a company. I was always under the impression that PIs work exclusively, instead of a firm-like business. Can you describe how the economics of your profession work? We worked in the insurance biz, our main clients were the companies that insured the large freight companies (think semi-trucks). You'd be surprised at how big the industry is, especially with the economy being in the toilet. The company I worked for was a smaller company, maybe a total of 10 employees, we were ALWAYS SWAMPED! My job was to videotape claimants then put together reports we'd send to our clients. I was in the office one day a week at most. Lots of alone time.
Were you ever caught "spying" on someone by the person you were investigating? If so what happen. Claimant says, "I know you've been following me all day, I think it's time you get a real job and the fuck out of Aspen"
I say, "That's fine, but what about the last four days I've been here?"
The gears started turning in her head. I had caught the woman at the gym, landscaping around her house, hiking in the mountains, you name it.
She then says, "I've been in my house the whole time"
I then asked, "So, ya' going for another hike today"
She started crying and left ...
Once isnt bad going :) I am sure it the whole insurance thing is tricky, you can't really live that lie forever. Yeah the travel and being away from home all the time finally caught up to me.
What were the highlights of the Job and what was the complete downside, of course aside from being on the road every week? The best part was being in random cities and meeting so many people. I concluded that Denver has some of the most attractive women and Memphis is my least favorite place in the world. I also ate like a KING!
The downside was that I was fresh out of college and still in college mode. The job completely ruined the joys of travelling for me. I hate airports, suitcases, shuttles, etc. I also hate subway as a result of the job. Also, my friends always knew when I was out on surveillance because I'd blow up their phones when I got bored.
Blow up their phones when I got bored. I would call/text friends when I would get bored ...
What do you mean by that?? Then if they didn't answer I'd text them plastic explosives ...
What sort of basic "kit" I should say, did you always have on you? HD video camera w/100x optical zoom, voice recorder, binoculars, pen/paper, 32 oz. gatorade x3, granola bars, an occasional red bull/monster, change of clothes in case you needed to throw on jeans, and cash.
I also had a portable dvd player and would usually have a magazine of some sort. It was very frowned upon to read/watch a movie while you're on surveillance but everyone did it.
How about a .45? Did you ever need one? If we're talking malt-liquor, everyday! haha.
There was really only 2 or 3 times I thought I was in physical danger. Mind you, I played collegiate football and I'm not a small guy. Did you ever see Pineapple Express? I would occasionally have to do process server work ... that shit would get ugly real quick! People don't like finding out they're being sued! I had one guy in Memphis chase me for two blocks with a tire iron ... f'ng hate Memphis.
So you're saying you did have a gun? :) Haha just a nerf gun ...
Pfft, not a supersoaker then. Lots of liability issues w/supersoakers or something ...
How did you get involved in this sort of business? The girl I was dating at the time had a sister who was dating a manager at the company ...
They came to me, completely lucked out!
Most dangerous assignment? Garfield Park, Chicago. Not a great place to be a white boy. It made trying to go the bathroom really interesting.
The guy was a tow truck driver and typically would start work around midnight. It was horrible. Imagine how suspicious people were when they saw a white guy in his early 20's driving around in a mini-van while holding a video-camera ...
I live in Chicago and this does not at all surprise me. Yeah, some rough areas on the South Side.
So, has it changed you on how you view people? Are you a "paranoid" person? Ex. ops are always on the job even off duty does it happen to you? I've been away from it for awhile but it really opened my eyes to how much of a problem insurance fraud is in our country.
I'm a bit paranoid about people who sit in their vehicle for a long time. I'm also paranoid of unfamiliar vehicles on my block.
Thanks for the answer, IMO we do have a large amount of "frauders" i can't point fingers but some people seem to want to get the easy way out every time. It's everywhere you look to be honest. I followed an oral-surgeon taking home hundreds of thousands and I followed a cab-driver living in a closet-sized studio in the Bronx ...
Is this an easy job to get?/How much experience do you need for this job? - On a scale of 1-10 (10 being most), how boring of a job is this? - Do you enjoy traveling? - Do you feel like a spy/secret agent? Or does the act get old fast? I can't really comment on how easy it was to get the job, I lucked out and knew people. I had no experience, they hired me right out of college.
The job is either a 10 or a 2. It's a 10 when the claimant is out being active. It's a 2 when you're stuck in your vehicle trying to not fall asleep.
I'm indifferent on travel, I don't like the process but I like the reward of getting to a destination. I HATE airports, security, living out of a suitcase etc. The job turned me into a bit of a homebody for awhile ...
There were many times I felt like a spy, it's always fun to carry around a badge and flash it at the asshole that cuts you off on the freeway. It's also a lot of fun to casually flash your badge while paying for something ...
"There were many times I felt like a spy, it's always fun to carry around a badge and flash it at the asshole that cuts you off on the freeway. It's also a lot of fun to casually flash your badge while paying for something ... " If you had taken off the blinders you'd notice multiple times I stated the travel caught up with me and I began to loathe the entire process.
Really? In the State of Illinois? Good thing you didn't make it far in the business because that's actually a criminal act in many states. Then again maybe the reason you're no longer in it is because you were caught. You caught me ... I have a sneaking suspicion you're a Bears fan ... you mad bro?
Did you have to pay for you own van/supplies? It seems like a lot of job postings are requiring "Your own reliable vehicle, computer, etc. You should look into the staffing/recruiting industries. They like to hire people with CJ backgrounds ...
Tell some funny stories? I once followed an assistant volleyball coach at a Big 10 University. I followed her to a 'mega-gym' type place. She ended up doing some yoga/pilates class outside. Imagine me sitting on a park bench 40 yards away with a video camera videotaping a bunch of 20/30 something women wearing spandex. She was quite attractive ...
I once followed a girl who was a cashier at the Mall of America. I was paid to hang out at the mall for 3 days. I would walk by her place of employment about once every hour, pretend to be a tourist, take some video, then head back to the food court.
I followed a couple living outside of Atlanta to a Georgia Bulldogs football game. That was a good time, wish I could've gone into the game. I was down there during the huge gas shortage, while waiting to get gas once I must have 'budged' some woman in line. She was black, I'm white, she got out of her jalopy and started screaming 'McCain Lover'!
You weren't noticed walking the same bit over and over again? I already feel slightly watched if I double back where I came from once! Nah never noticed while at the mall, people have tunnel vision as they go about their daily routines and this girl was no different.
How do you stay inconspicuous? I would try to stay near groups of people and make sure she never had a direct line of sight with me ... it's easier than you'd think.
Haha. The Mall of America would be a good place to stake someone out- lots of random stuff to see when you're bored. Some solid people watching there, that's for sure!
This reminds me of blending in Assassins creed. Spot on!
I lived in Memphis for almost a decade and I can agree, it sucks. What are some of your stories about that city? I stayed at what I thought would be a nice Double Tree, I get in late and I'm climbing in the bed and find half a tuna sandwich in the bed.
I sat down at a BBQ joint just south of the city, have a table to myself and 3 black guys sit at my table, tell me I'm at the wrong place and I should 'get the hell on'. I showed 'em my badge and asked em if they wanted to try that again. They changed their tone pretty quick. If they only knew haha!
There just seemed to be a lot of racial tension in the city. I hated it.
Yeah im a white guy and I totally understand about the racial tension. I would have liked to have taken advantage of that situation and sit with them and ask them why do all that? I was thinking the same thing after the fact.
In their defense I should've known better, I was in black community and should've just waited until I was back near downtown to grab a bite. What can ya' do ya know? I'm lucky they dropped it when they saw the badge ... probably wasn't the smartest move on my part ...
This is so interesting! My boss works for an insurance company and she tells the PI's where to go/who to watch. I love hearing her stories about crazy shit that goes down sometimes in mediation after they're done gathering the surveillance. What would you say is the biggest fraud you've caught someone trying commit? Having to go to court/mediation was AWFUL!
I had to follow an oral-surgeon in Denver. The woman was loaded, had an awesome condo in downtown Denver, drove a real jazzy M6 BMW. Well she was claiming the accident she was in ruined her career. She was looking for a settlement in the millions, our client was set to pay it but figured what the hell, lets do surveillance for the hell of it.
First day I'm there she doesn't leave until about 6pm that Friday, she leaves with her boyfriend to some fancy steakhouse in downtown Denver right by Coors Field. I show up the next morning bright and early hoping to catch this tramp. A few hours later I see her 6 series leaving the parking garage with her driving and her boyfriend in the passenger seat. I follow them for about 10 minutes and they pull up to a park in the city. They both go to the trunk and start pulling out tennis equipment, jackpot! I ended up with about two hours of film with this woman playing tennis.
About what percentage of your subjects were guilty? Did you still submit evidence when a person was innocent? I'd say 9/10 were guilty and committing fraud.
And yes, we'd always have to submit the video we took, whether it was them playing golf all day or simply taking integrity video of their home ... we'd still always submit our findings.
What is "integrity video"? Does that refer to the integrity of the person making the claim or does it have something to do with their home? Integrity video is the process of taking video of the claimant's house/property every 30-45 min. It helps prove to the client that we're out there doing our job and watching the residence.
I apologize for not clearing this up earlier!
Mind if you tell us why you had to follow the stripper? Not a problem.
I mentioned earlier our main clients were companies that insured the large trucking lines. Well she was rear-ended by a semi-driver. Claiming she couldn't work, having troubles with her mobility, taking care of her kid, etc.
They (our client) then had our company look into her background, employment, etc. They ultimately decided they wanted to move forth with a 2 day surveillance on her ... so off I went.
Ahh ic ic! Your job sounds like fun! I always thought about doing private investigation after university for just a little bit. It had it's major ups and downs. There would be days when a claimant would never step foot out of their house. Imagine sitting in a van/suv by yourself for 7-10 hours.
You'd be amazed at the things you can come up with to entertain yourself!
Are you considered a police officer or a civilian? Police aren't to fond of PI's to be honest, especially in really rural areas. We're considered civilians.
What a boss. yeah, i feel like reading and xwords would be the best...other than reddit! did you ever smoke weed or anything on the job, or was it like drug test city for any potential employees? I never got into smoking weed honestly. I was drug tested almost weekly in college for athletics so it was never really an option. I've done it maybe 4 times in my entire life. The last time I did I was a wreck! I had a paper due the next day and when I woke up the next morning to read it ... holy shit! It was supposed to be a paper on the death penalty, I wrote about my favorite childhood cartoon, TaleSpin ...
Would you fly to locations generally or drive out to them? Act as casual as possible all the time. If I ended up following someone and would be stopped behind them at a stop-light I'd start air-drumming, pretend to be on my phone, and pretend the person in front of me didn't exist. Shorts and a t-shirt every chance you get, people always notice those who are dressed nice. Basically try to look like a slob ... I would fly to anything that wasn't in Illinois, Wisconsin, or Iowa. I would then grab a rental car from Enterprise, drive to my hotel, sleep, then start my surveillance the next day.
Thoughts on Salt Lake City, Reno, or Spokane? I loved Reno, I spent 4 days there following around a woman competing in some huge national bowling tournament. Luck would have it, my hotel room was actually right down the hallway from theirs. I've only visited Salt Lake to see friends, we spent the whole time snowboarding and getting drunk. So, naturally, I loved Salt Lake.
I would fly to anything that wasn't in Illinois, Wisconsin, or Iowa. Was the company you worked for in a far NW suburb of Chicago by chance? When I graduated college I interviewed for a private investigator job at a small company in a Chicago suburb and was wondering if it was the same place. Indeed it was ... Arlington Heights/Schaumburg'ish area ...
Wow, that wasn't the same company I interviewed at. The place I interviewed at was in Hampshire and practically in the middle of a field. Good ol' Hampshire, they were in our conference in high-school. Chik-N-Dip???
Can you elaborate on the badge you had? are PIs considered cops or do they just get a badge saying they are a PI and it looks alot like a police badge, so people just believe you when you say youre a cop? what actual rights, if any, does that badge you had give you? Link to images.landofnod.com
Looked something like the above link ...
In all seriousness, we were licensed through the state, had to have a valid PERC card. Carrying a badge was something our company had us do. I think it was a safety thing to be honest. I carried mine in a wallet built specifically for a badge. The badge gave me no rights whatsoever ... It said state of Illinois and had some numbers on it, it looked official but was worth fuckall ...
Nice. smart company. Did anyone ever ask for a closer look at the badge? I never had anyone ask fortunately ... I'm guessing I'd be in for a major ass beating if they looked closely haha!
Sounds like you've spent a lot of time sitting in a parked van or following people around - that would freak a lot of people out. Has anyone ever called the cops on you? I was 'made' twice in two years of doing the job. The cops will show up and you simply tell them what you're doing and they leave you alone.
The worst is in rural towns though. Everyone knows eachother so if you get caught, the whole town will know about it in a matter of minutes.
Do you have any interesting/funny cheating stories? I only did a few cheating/divorce type surveillances. The one that stands out was in St. Louis. The woman I was following stopped by a daycare to pick up her kids, she then drops 'em off at this HUGE mansion outside of St. Louis where a nanny answers the door, later confirmed this to be the ex-husbands house. On the way back to her car she keys the shit out of his car! The guy was driving a nice S-class Mercedes. I got the whole thing on tape, she ended up having to pay for the damages ... it was pretty comical...
Why do criminals always seem to have El Dorados? It's like a staple in a film that a crime boss or something will have one. El Dorado +10 to street cred.
Anyway, thanks for the answer. I'm going to go back to laughing at the clever pun in your name. Anytime, glad you were able to get a chuckle.
Were there ever legality issues regarding your recordings? I know some states require both parties to be aware an audio recording is takin place. Is that not true for video recordings? Or was it because you were typically parked and filming from a public area that it was all legal? I guess I'm just curious about the legality of an investigator filming someone's private residence, or filming someone inside a private business without their consent. Do you have some sort of warrant or something like that that gave you the right to film them as part of an investigation? Great questions ... You are correct about the audio recordings ... I never ran across legal issues. I once had a cop told me I wasn't allowed to videotape in public (which is wrong). I then asked him about his dash-cam and how about everytime you walk into a dept. store? He didn't know what to say ... guy was an ass. Anyway, I was told by my boss you can videotape anyone wherever one wouldn't expect to have privacy. Meaning if you're not inside of your house you can be videotaped. So if you're out in public you can legally be videotaped. You can also be videotaped in your home if the blinds/curtains or whatever are open. By leaving them open you're basically giving up your right to privacy is what I've been told.
What would you say your oddest "on the job" experience was? Following a bachelorette party into a gay bar was a bit odd ...
I didn't know anyone, I'm in a gay bar, with a camera ... I made up a story about how I was with an online company covering the party scene in major metropolitan areas ... they bought it.
Did you ever have a case after which you felt bad for the person you had to follow? May be if they were trying to go past the system because they had to and had no other way out? Honestly I never felt bad at all, more anger than anything to be honest.
I think he's referring to a scene in Silver Streak where gene wilder uses shoe polish to change the appearance of his race. Link to www.youtube.com. If you do that, may I recommend that you study how Wilder walks, that's what sells it. I would study Bernie Mac's character in 'Friday', I tried to act similar to that when in those rough neighborhoods ...
So is there a statute of limitations for insurance companies to catch people, or once the people get paid they're free and clear? Do the companies repeatedly send out investigators to collect evidence or do they give up eventually? And what if some dude just sits in his house all day, you ever have a really really difficult time catching someone because they were a shut-in? The companies seem to have a REALLY good idea of who is legit and who is not. They'll usually conduct 2-4 days surveillance max, if they don't have anything by then they give up.
We came across shut-ins all the time, those people made the job complete hell!
Is it possible the shut-ins are really injured or hurt and not trying to scam insurance companies? What happens with those cases? It's definitely possible they're legit. Those cases are usually resolved between the insurance company and the claimant with his attorney.
Thanks for the response - if I was trying something like that I'd commit to video games and take-out for a year. All they'd get is footage of me paying the pizza guy. And sadly, it really is that simple, I don't understand why claimants couldn't figure it out ...
Another quick questions can you or do you ever monitor cell phone or internet usage of clients? If so can you some how view everything they are texting or saying? Or is that a illegal for you to do and only reserved for government use (FBI, CIA etc) We would monitor social-networking sites. You'd be shocked at the dumbass information people will put on myspace, facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc. We never looked into phone records of any sort.
Teenagers are always dumb it's part of being one. If I could go back 12 years ago, I would have told myself how dumb I was and looked. I had a bowl cut in 7th grade ...
Easy to pick up girls doing this? stories? It actually was pretty easy. Hotel bars were the best, you knew everyone was their one business and most would throw away all inhibitions.
I met a woman in Charleston WV once. She was a total milf from San Diego. She was in marketing with one of the major auto-manufacturers. Well we started talking in the gym then she asked if I'd seen the hotel bar yet and if not I should check it out.
Being the idiot I was I didn't realize she was hitting on me. I told her her 'nah I haven't checked out, I'll prolly just pass out once I'm done here' ... She left shortly after, then it hit me once I got back up to my room to shower. 'SHIT, SHE WAS HITTING ON ME!' So I showered up and went down to the hotel barestaurant and sure enough there she was sitting by herself. I approached her, made small talk, then she invited me up to her room to rent a movie. She knew what she was doing, it was a struggle to keep up, not gonna lie.
What's your funniest story? Following a collegiate volleyball coach around campus, then following her to a yoga class. She's decked out in spandex and surrounded by other 20/30 somethings doing yoga. I'm the creep on a bench about 30-40 yards away videotaping everything ... I received some odd looks that day ...
Well a man in a trenchcoat with a long distance lens pointed at a female doing yoga wouldn't look so good. Boners in trenchcoats are tough to hide as well ...
Well next time don't have it in your hand. Dude ... yoga pants.
Whilst investigating someone. Did you or anyone you worked with stumble upon some serious shit? I came across a drug operation involving a 23 year old guy I was following near Overland Park (Kansas City). He lived with his parents but also rented out a 1br apt. where he was growing and selling marijuana. I did a fake package delivery to his apt. to try to confirm his identity, he had thought I was a customer and invited me in. I gave him a $100.00 and told him to take care of me ... I called my boss right when I walked out who then had me call the local authorities ...
Brilliant. What an idiot he is. Very friendly guy, but yes, he could've used a couple business courses ...
How many times were you asked to investigate someone but it came to nothing? Turned out the man wasn't having an affair after all, or the disabled person wasn't faking? Or was it almost always a case of someone having pretty valid concerns and just needing / wanting proof? 9/10 there was fraud going on. Insurance companies know what they're doing, they usually know who's legit and who's not. Like you said, the insurance co. knows there's an issue, they just want to cover their ass when/if it goes to court.
I didn't really do anything involving cheating spouses, the divorce cases I investigated usually involved finding out how much one of the parties was working. I think this went a long way in figuring out what sort of $$ they'd have to pay for alimony.
Thanks for answering. Great AMA and it sounds like your life was varied, interesting and at times risky! No two days were the same that's for sure! Thanks for stopping by.
Did you ever work any disability cases where they were claiming mental illness, and you found out they were faking it? Surprisingly enough I never had any cases involving mental illness. That would've been interesting.
How does someone get started in the profession? I lucked out to be honest. Girl I was dating at the time had a sister who was dating a manager with the company.
I majored in psychology and criminal justice, seems to be the background they're mostly looking for.
I'd recommend checking out indeed.com for various insurance fraud/private invest. type jobs.
I am just starting college and I am most likely going into criminal justice. Were you happy with your decision to take that major? In all honesty, not really. I wish I would've gone the psychology route, I'd recommend doing a few police ride alongs, there's a lot of misconceptions about police work.
Any cool LA stories? Followed a cab driver who did nothing but pick up people at LAX, 3 days of following him around, I wanted to stab someone!
I stayed in a Marriott right by LAX and went to the workout/weightroom they had there. I met a lady from New York while there and she ended up taking me all over LA, she had a Towncar chauffeur us all over. We went to Urasawa in Beverly Hills then a couple rooftop bars in LA, it was nuts and not my type of thing at all but it was cool to see how the 1% live.
She was probably in her mid-late 30's even early 40's I'd guess, real nice woman.
Sounds like something real raymond chandler. My mom used to tell me that all the time. After the 90th time of her telling me that I finally studied up on this Raymond Chandler fella, man was quite the novelist!
That's pretty cool. Did you dibble-dabble with her? We did indeed dibble-dabble ...
We ended up back at the hotel around 4am, drunk off our asses but still wide awake, don't ask me how. We had a nice drunken nightcap in her room then woke up and did it again the next morning.
She ordered this HUGE buffet of a brunch for us too after we 'cleaned up'. Champagne, mimosas, you name it ...
My man! Haha that is awesome. Sounds like LA treated you right. She was a classy gal, and LA definitely did me right. Now if something could be done about the traffic!
Thanks for the comments/questions
What was your most difficult assignment? Hmm, great question.
I had to follow a police officer in Boston. That was not fun, the guy knew what he was doing and knew what to look for. I was able to get him playing in his regular golf league. The guy lived about 5 minutes from the golf course but drove all around town before going. I bet I followed him for two hours before he went golfing. The 3 days leading up to that he didn't step foot outside of his residence.
Did you use any kind of photo\video equipment? I had an HD video camera w/100x optical zoom that was also capable of taking still photos.
We used windows movie maker to edit the video and cut out anything unnecessary. High-tech stuff lemme tell ya!
I guess practicality wins over quality, right? Which camera model was that anyway? It was a Sony camera if I recall. Retailed for around $450-500 at the time I believe. Most reliable camera ever, I beat the hell out of that thing!
From reading your comments, I can't figure out if you're a wanna-be cop on a power trip (which I tend to believe based on your college majors and some of your comments), or just a fairly normal guy with an interesting job. Which one is it? Very normal guy with an odd job. Trust me, I had considered being a cop and did a few ride alongs. That's all it took to turn me off from police work for good ...
Thanks for the reply. Good AMA, by the way. So, what do you do now, if you don't mind me asking? I'm a project manager with a telecom deployment company.
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